Back in August I wrote an article summing up all of the known spoilers and speculation about who will be on Survivor 20. There was some uncertainty about some spots, but the spoiler community seems to have nailed it all down. And now, online Survivor freaks like me know which notable and notorious castaways will be back and who they will be playing with. There are some serious surprises and quite possibly some wicked personality clashes.
Read on to find out who is on the Heroes tribe and who will be playing for the Villains. Don’t click if you don’t want to know.

First up… The Heroes
Rupert Boneham, James “J.T.” Thomas, Tom Westman, Colby Donaldson, James Clement, Stephenie LaGrossa, Amanda Kimmel, Jessica ‘Sugar’ Kiper, Cirie Fields and Candice Woodcock
What an interesting group. This tribe is all about the men. You’ve definitely got more male bravado than you can shake a stick at. Tom, Colby, J.T., James and Rupert all dominated in the physical challenges. They all like to be providers. And, they’re all insanely competitive. The girls on this tribe could have it easy when it comes to having a bunch of butch hunter/gatherers providing food. Amanda, Stephenie and Candice will be able to hold their own in challenges and hopefully fend off a power play from the boys. Because you know those guys won’t take well to an emotionally needy play like Sugar or a smart social player like Cirie. I’m worried for Cirie. Her reputation as a brilliant strategist could put her in early trouble among a group of physical dynamos.
It will be interesting to see how long guys like Tom, Colby and J.T. can work together… if at all. Throw Stephenie in the mix and there could be trouble. They all played alpha male/female before, but there can only be one alpha.

Now for… The Villains
Jerri Manthey, Parvati Shallow, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Courtney Yates, Danielle DiLorenzo, Rob “Boston Rob” Mariano, Randy Bailey, Tyson Apostol, Ben “Coach” Wade and Russell Hantz
Where to start with this group? Holy shit! First of all, what the hell is Sandra doing on the Villains tribe? Is it because she beat America’s Sweetheart Rupert in Pearl Islands? With all the massive characters in this tribe she could once again take the under the radar strategy all the way to the title! Then there are Jerry, Randy and Courtney… three of the bitchiest and grumpiest people ever to play the game. How will they get along with each other or anyone else! How will Boston Rob, Parvati and Russell view each other? All three have shown they can be in complete control of the game and their alliances. Danielle is a total wild card in this. She would be smart to stick to Sandra and lay low. Two people that won’t lay low are Coach and Tyson. Both of them are crazy and both of them make a natural alliance. Those two things could make them early targets for smart players like Russell, Rob, Parvati and Sandra.
So far, I’m giving the competitive physical challenge edge to the Heroes. But the social scheming smarts of the Villains could prove unstoppable if they get numbers at the merge.
I think it will be an awesome season.


Adam A.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I like the teams so far, but unfortunately my survivor memory fails me with a few of the castaways…I find it interesting that they have chosen some castaways from the second season, and the rest seem to be a little more recent. Is it because we haven’t seen enough of the Jerri/Colby rivalry??
Robyn
November 16th, 2009 at 11:12 am
OMG this is going to be SO good!
Heroes aka Team Abs (not Rupert or Cirie). Hello Colby!
Villains aka Team Batshit Crazy. Will the men devour each other or take masochism to a new level and eat the women?
Rich
November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I think the women on the Heroes tribe will be in trouble early because those boys all play the “physical strength = valuable” kind of game.
Over on the villains I think the men will actually be in early trouble. Parvati is known for her strong alliance building skills and I think Russell would prefer to align himself with the women.
Robyn
November 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
You are the Survivor savant Rich… I’m with you… except on the Parvati thing, no one ever likes her. Let’s hope James has gained some wisdom… unless all his brains are in his abs. Can’t count out Stephenie… she’s a tough ass (with abs).
kat
November 16th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I’m surprised by Sandra, danielle, and candace being there. They are barely memorable. I also don’t think winners should get to come back. I dislike Tom a lot so that might be why. I would love an alliance of James Cirie and Amanda. ilove those three together, and add Sugar and Stephanie, and it would be perfect final 5. I want James to win so badly! I think Amanda and James will team up right away considering the last time they played together, as long as they don’t trust Pavarti! I do wish MAtty, Kenny, Johnathan Penner, Bobby Jon, Seirra, and some otheres could have came back..
Tyler
November 18th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
The tribes are all tight for the most part except Sugar should be on the villans side and Sandra should be on the heros side. I think that the guys on the heros tribe might actually be in trouble because Rupert will most likly allign with the woman. Russell will not last long because hee is the biggest threat and they know it.
Rich
November 18th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I’m not sure the cast will know much about Russell at all. They started filming Heroes vs Villains before Samoa started to air. Unless CBS showed them some episodes, they don’t know what we know.
kodie
November 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
I don’t get why Candice is on the heros team….or on the show, she made no impact to the game in her season i thought…such a random choice for the cast
matthew
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
dident think that the tribes this season was all that good but the description above actually sounds good. but i do think that Dreams (Fiji) and Corrine (Gabon) should have definetly been on the villian tribe. i mean what dreams did to yau man was totally fucked up and when corrine bashed suger about her dead father was heatless. they should have been on this survivor for those resons. and OMG i hate cirie stop bringing her back ahhhh
Ryan T
November 25th, 2009 at 8:44 am
CIRIE IS AMAZING! I LOVE HER!!!!!!!!!!
she is arguably the best social strategist this game has ever seen making it to the finale both times, beating all odds!
Billy
November 26th, 2009 at 12:09 am
The boot list has already been spoiled for this season:
http://www.truedorktimes.com/s20/survivometer20.htm
danni
November 30th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
where is danni(Guatemala)
But is goooooood
Frank
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Hate to break it to you, but Cirie did not make it to the Finale both times. She made it to Final Three, but not to the Finale since Fans vs. Favorites was only a Final 2.
And Tyler - Russel won’t be a target because they started filming 20 like 2 weeks after they finished filming Samoa. Samoa didn’t even air until they were done filming or close to it. Plus If Russell was to make it to the Final 3 or 2 on this season, how is he going to know if he Won being as All-Stars was done filming before the live Finale for Samoa 19.
And Yeah, Either Sandra or Parvati wins. Results have already been revealed. Russell Makes final 3
Cam
December 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Do we really ned to see more of Amanda and James!?!?!? both of them fucking blew it the first seasons they were in and amanda blew it in FvF too.Add in the fact that both of them are two of the most boring players in survivor history. I don’t think Tom, Rupert, Jt, Sandra, and parvati should be back because they all won 1,000,000. Oh wait not Rupert he was handed 1,000,000. I like having Coach on it. I hate him but it will at least be entertaining. I really dont think people who have already been in two seasons should be brought back again too so that goes for Boston Rob (who i fucking hate, Rupert (who i fucking hate), James (who is so boring), Amanda (same as james, Parvati(bitch), Colby even though i dont mind as much cause i like him and for christ sakes at least he wasnt in a really recent season, Cerie, and Jerri need to come back for a third season. Throw in the winners with and the only people who actually who should actually be in this are sugar, candice, randy, tyson, coach, danielle, and courtney, and possibly russel if he doesn’t win his season. we need fresh old people. the same are getting old
Tessa
December 17th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Hmm…interesting cast. I wonder why Corinne isn’t here…
Darby
December 19th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
ohh myy gosh. russel and coach are going to be HISERICAL! idk bout anyone else, but Coach annoyed me to death, and hes deffff gonna annoy russel to his death. haha. i cant wait for this season! yayy JT ahh i loved him!!
Tye
December 20th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Amanda and Jugar on The same season good I hope They Make good Allies they played Simailer Games
chad
December 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
I am disgusted and appauled that Jonny Fairplay isnt on the villians tribe. There is no greater villian in my mind. I know he’s been on twice, but so have others on this list. He deserves to be there as much as russell…
Chrissy
December 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
They probably didnt bring Jonny Fairplay back because he chose to go home on his own the last time he was on the show. I think the cast is pretty good- Coach and Russell are going to kill each other in a matter of days, so that will be entertaining!! Can’t wait till Feb!!
Cindy
December 21st, 2009 at 7:31 am
I would watch an info-mercial with Boston Rob. Can’t wait. I would have though that Coach was a hero, however.
Rose
December 21st, 2009 at 9:54 am
I am looking forward to Villian’s vs. Hero’s, I am all for the Hero’s team I love them all it will be hard to watch I want all my fav’s to be the winner and there can only be one Survivor.
Lyric
December 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
Rupert and JT and Teddy(I don’t remember his real name, but he was the gravedigger and me and my mom just referred to him as Teddy,) are my all time favorites. I sort of have a love hate relationship with this cast as well. Some people don’t deserve to be back. What happened to that Johny Rotten? I simply just feel bad for Coach.. SUGAR? TYSON? I don’t know. They could have thrown together a better cast. The past few season’s (Minus JT’s and Teddy’s,) Have been crap. Season 19 was horrible, and I wouldn’t have watched hadn’t it been for Mick and Jaison. I despise Russel like I’ve never despised someone before. Hopefully they turn this season around.
Martin
December 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Well my first complaint is that they took too many members from same seasons! I mean come on, Tyson, Coach and Courtney?? Didn’t we already watch enough of the three of them together? Boring…I would rather they took just one person from each season, or two, rather than just pick from 3 or 4 seasons…not good.
On the Villain side, Sandra, Danielle and Randy are a waste of time, they were no fun to watch before, and can’t even play the game, despite the girls making it far before.
And on the Heroes side, Sugar and Cirie?? Are you kidding me? I don’t get all the hype about Cirie, she is NOT that smart, just the mother hen role that nobody seems to want to vote off, doesn’t deserve a third try, and Sugar, come on, can’t play the game to save her life…sigh…
Definitely looking at the heroes to sweep and dominate, they got the stuff for physical challenges, and none of them are dumb either, they will work together and become invincible. While the villains will too busy fighting amongst themselves to have any chance. Poor Russell too, for being the best player in history, he is too fresh off last season for anyone to want him along!
Melissa
December 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Where the hell is Ozzie?? Shouldn’t he be on the Heroes tribe?
Chase
December 21st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Yes! As soon as I saw the official announcement yesterday, I said, “Russell ain’t finished playing just yet!” Which is a quote from him when he played the first idol he found WITHOUT any clues. He found another one without any clues and then another one with a clue. It will be interesting to see his strategy this time around, as undoubtedly the entire s20 cast saw him masterminding his way to the final three. This is going to be a kickass season.
anonymous
December 21st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
@Frank
If Russell makes the final three, then there’s no way to know who won, as the results are revealed live. Since there are 20 contestants, there will be a final three and not final two.
Putter
December 21st, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I am pumped for the next seaon. What is interesting for season 20 is that word has it that it began taping the the day after (or close to it) when season 19 was done. I also heard, season 20 began in the summer. With that said, I wonder if season 20 started taping before season 19 began airing on tv. If so, none of the returning all-stars will know nothing about Russell. Could that be an advantage? Or course his disadvantage is that he is going back to back.
It’ll be interesting seeing all these egos tryng to align. Can you imagine an alliance of Russell, Boston Rob and Coach together? Can’t wait!
Mark
December 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Nice going Frank for spoiling the final three. Idiot.
Candice
December 21st, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Russel from Survivor Samoa deserves the title of sole-survivor! It is a game for christ sakes and he rocked that game…
April
December 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
It said it will be in the south pacific, well where the hell exactly anyone know?
April
December 21st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Im there with ya candice. The other cast was just pissed cuz russell ruled that game and made them all little puppets so they though how better to stick it to him then to vote for the person who deserves it the least!
Aaron
December 21st, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Fav players in season 20
1. Russel( burn their socks man!) best player in history
2. Coach he annoyed the living hell out of me and my dad but by far an awesome player
3. Parvati best girl to play the game!
Missing:
VILLAN: TODD
HERO: BOBBY JON
Jerin
December 21st, 2009 at 5:37 pm
They started filming almost right after the end of filming for season 19. Not one of the other all-stars are going to have a clue who Russell is except for the fact that he is on the Villians tribe. Remember Russell saying he should be playing against all-stars? I think he is going to rock them all.
M & T Fisher
December 21st, 2009 at 6:37 pm
My GOD!!! Boston Rob needs to give up and get a real job. He’s definitely had his fifteen minutes…and cry baby Russell…really…really
stacy
December 21st, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I LOVE Russell, but he’ll really have to work his powers on the new season. They all know each other’s game play and they won’t have a clue who he is…therefore he should be a threat to them. They will probably ditch him immediately. Hope I’m wrong and he can prove his powers again this season. None of these players will realize that he can find idols without clues. After all, has ANY other player ever thought to do that…I think not!!
al
December 21st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
I LOVE RUSSEL
if i ever went on i would want to play like him
Twisted Chinaman
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 am
So many missed people:
Heroes: Yul, Sierra, Cao Boi.
Villains: Jonathan (Cook Islands/Micronesia), Shane (Exile Island), Ghandia…
Can’t believe everyone forgot about the stuck up dick that was Johnathan, or the insanity that was “Rock as a Blackberry” Shane!
Haley
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:55 am
I am happy with the cast. I agree they shoulda put johnny fairplay back in though.
Ken K
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 pm
I Hope that Rob and Russel go head on in the final four.either one is a strong and stratigic player who should have won in their prospective survivor shows to begin with they were the ones who called the shots and decided who they wanted to be in the finals with to be seen as snakes in the grass to the juries that should have played the game more as that as a game and when they voted p=off instead off being babies they should have been envious of a well played game by these two power players.it’s not there fault that you all are easily lead around like sheep!!!!!!!!!!
Holly
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I am so freakin happy to see my fav people again!!! I LOVE Tom, J.T. Stephiane, Randy, Tyson, and Russel to DEATH! I mean besides the people i have forgoten they couldnt have picked a better cast! Im am counting down the days until Feb. 11 baby!!!!
Nicole
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
So I’ve only started watching Survivor recently and I don’t know most of the cast, but I’m sooo pumped for this season! I always hated Coach, and always will, and I wish they brought Sierra back from his season. Tyson is hilarious, but hardly one of the 5 biggest villains IMO. Meanwhile, Sugar isn’t a hero. She was one of the most obnoxious people EEVER, and they should bring MATTY back-who she is singlehandedly responsible for making lose, not her. Ugk. Anyways, I think Brendan from Tocantins would be good too :D. Oh, and I think it’s totally lame that winners get to come back. People who didn’t win should get more chances, not those who already did!
I predict I’ll be routing for Rob, Russel, and possibly Cirie this season. I’ll probably fall for a hero male this season like all the others too ;] (BRENDAN,MICK,AND MATTY!<l3). Anyways, I’m pumped! Just get JT, Randy, and Coach off NOW! I’ve had enough of them already!
Jessika
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Im am so excited for this season. Its gunna be kickass totally. I hope Rusell makes it all the way, he should have one lasat season. And i think its actually an advantage that nobady nos who he is, cuz they dont no of how strong of a player he really is.
Also, Coach does annoy the hell out of me but i think he will make the game interesting. Theres gunna be a heck of alot of fighting on the villians side.
Cant waitt!
Brent
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I can’t believe they didn’t bring Yau Man back! He is arguably the nicest/most heroic person the game has seen.
At least they brought Cirie back. She rocks <3
Matt Whetstine
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I think they have a couple backwards if this is correct. Cirie should be a villain and Parvati should be a hero. Cirie was constantly griping and being mean and Parvati was a swet woman.
Aidan
December 24th, 2009 at 1:28 am
That is not right…..Rob, James, Colby, Jerri, Cirie, Stephenie, Rupert, Amanda, Parvati…half of the cast has already been on 2 seasons…:( and while I am absolutely thrilled we may see Cirie again, that’s not fair…I mean, Corinne from Gabon everyone? she pretty much seemed a villain to me. And Natalie from Micronesia? And Sierra from Tocantins? And Taj? And Erik (micronesia)? And Parvati and Tom already won, Rob also kind of won, so why not let people who didn’t to have a shot?
Oh and I am absolutely excited to see that Sandra is coming back..but why the hell is she a villain??
Also, very happy to see Sugar! But I really was hoping to see Sierra…:(
Robert
December 24th, 2009 at 6:03 am
candice and sandra should be in different teams, candice is more of a villain for switching tribes in cook islands she isnt a hero in fact she shouldnt be in season20 at all, while sandra is hardly a villain. Would have loved to see Yul and You Man but i guess they would be too busy or too old to play. Good to see more of Russell tho
Zoe
December 24th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I’ll be rooting for Russ but I have a feeling he gets the boot early. In the Samoa finale he looked extremely upset about not winning, and seeing how Heroes vs Villains was already filmed by that time, I don’t think he would have been as upset if he knew he’d made it to his second finale. I think Rob will want him out. Heroes are for sure going to dominate in challenges..
Team Villains!
Al
December 24th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Russell, they don’t even have a clue, won’t even know what hit them. First thing he will do is find the hidden idol. After that will be history. Am looking forward to Season 20.
Jc
December 25th, 2009 at 9:00 am
is this a reliable source?? uhhm.. i love to see sierra :(
SMari
December 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
The villians will totally kill each other - Russel, Rob and Coach! they will probably eat each other up!!!!!!!!!! and stefanie and amanda? they are one of my faves 4ever so I am looking foward… the heroes would probably blow the villians out of the water, I mean hello -
James-strongest
Rupert-amazing swimmer
Tom-hard worker,eating challeges
J.T. - veery headstrong
Colby-pretty strong
Cirie-amazing in puzzls
Amanda-puzzles,strong girl
Stefanie-veery strong
Sugar - weakness but still love her
Candice - good swimmer
Heroes have amazing team - already hoping for James-Amanda-J.T.-Sugar/Cirie allince
can’T wait for s20
Cal Gal
December 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I sure would have liked to see Elizabeth Hasselbeck on the Villians, but I guess she won’t give up her day job. Remind me, just how DID she get that gig on The View?
silverback
December 27th, 2009 at 6:46 am
The guy villains would be completely perfect if they just replaced rob and randy with shane and fairplay! Girl heroes are pretty good as well but i hate cirie. good player but… ugh… put her on the villains at least and put courtney into heroes.
Sandra?? wtf… and wheres ozzy? erik?
not perfect but pretty good. Feb 11!!!!
chad
December 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Although I’ve posted regarding rottin already, I want the survivor people to fully know my disgust at his absence. (I know he opted out last time, but that was because of his daughter being born, being a father myself, thats a good reason). Missing from Heroes: Bobby John - agreed. and Ozzy - Agreed. Missing from Villians: the only villian to compare with russell - JONNY FAIRPLAY , and maybe jonathan?
Jessica
December 28th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
WTF!??!?! WHERE IS YAU MAN AND BOB!?!?!
chad
December 29th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Yau is prolly too old, and in fact maybe bob isn’t up to it either. But they both would fit the bill.
Maggie
December 29th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Well, you got 7 right. If you watch the preview is super-slow, you can pick up on the next cast. You got 7 right!
Karen
December 29th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Would have loved to have seen Coby back and Lex too. Never hear much about Lex. And Russell - gosh I wish he would have just gone away. I didn’t watch all last season because of him. Hopefully he will be gone early!
nelly
December 29th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Brian from Marquesas the used car salesman/soft porn star was and is the best survivor of all time. Russell may have taken that away from him had he have convinced the jury to vote for him.
nelly
December 29th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
**Thailand
Sugashane
December 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RUSSELL!!!!
bebop
December 31st, 2009 at 1:43 am
If you observe how very haggard Russell looked at the S19 reunion, it would indicate that he progressed pretty far. i.e. he certainly did not look like someone who’d been re-fattening up/regaining health in the s20 ‘eliminated/jury camp’ for a long period.
sts
December 31st, 2009 at 8:52 pm
itll be intresting with russel since none of the others will have seen him play the game before
kj
January 3rd, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Love game I would be the best player ever email me
OG
January 4th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I might actually watch this season just for Randy.
SlicerCRO
January 5th, 2010 at 6:59 am
Regarding the comment about Fairplay leaving the FvF on his own will - that is just his bullcrap story, he was voted out cause his stupid-ass strategy backfired and his tribemates actually believed him when he said he wanted to go. Just watch his comments at the beginning of the series - those about the new tricks up his sleave that he had prepaired. L8r he said he left on his own will and that he “turned” from a heel to babyface cause he didn’t want to look stupid. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a h8r, i loved him at pearl island, definitely one of the fav players ever, this is just what i’ve noticed.
DGK
January 6th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
I love the cast this season and I think some of the others aren’t on it because they didn’t want to be. Johnny Fairplay went out first if I remember correctly in All Stars and now he’s married with a baby - he’s a whimp. I was hoping Ozzie would do it again. Oh well. It will still be very good.
Ben
January 7th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
why is Danielle and Villain?? what did she do to be a villian, I do not remember.
RF
January 7th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Can’t wait for Feb!! Just simply awesome to see my favorites back!
Steph,J.T, Tom, James ftw!!
I would love to see ozzy and marcus there too! :(
For the villians, getting tyson,russell,coach and randy is definately the right choices… Russell the all time villain for me!
Gordon P
January 9th, 2010 at 5:36 am
I don’t understand how can will be in the show some people. The real hero:Terry, Yau-man Ozzy Yul maybe Ian Rob C,Heide etc. but not Cirie who became favourite because she stood up from the sofa.So the show as I looked the castaways maybe will boring it.It would be better if the fans voted that whe go to the all-stars.
Bonnie
January 17th, 2010 at 6:38 am
Why is Candace with the heros? If memory serves me she deserted her tribe?????
Bay
January 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Russel, while only recent, has been my all time fave player. He was the smartest player to come in the game. His only mistake was taking the extremely likeable natalie with him to the top 3. He would have been better off taking jaison, whos just a pain in the ass.
Bay
January 21st, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Yes Russel should win if he keeps his evil brain in tact
Sharon
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Why would anyone want to be on Survivor THREE times?! Get a life! That’s enough to make me quit watching.
Brooke
January 26th, 2010 at 9:05 am
I love this show so much and can’t wait till it is back…and Russel I love him so much will be great to see him again and I am sure he could win.
Charlene
January 27th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Damn, I was hoping to see Russell pitted against Johnny Fairplay! Plus, as long as they had Rob as a villian, they should have had his wife with the heros.
barb
January 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
just saw the list.. some bad choices and some good ones.. last season stated out with me hating bad russell.. by the end i loved him.. coach was too crazy to take seriously, but BOSTON ROB is so good at challanges and “street smart” also. hes a winner in my book and i will watch to see if marriage to amber took his edge away.. skinny he was hot, married and weight gain might change my mind.. either way, i cant wait to see what happens. couldnt stand cheri, the girls are super forgetable.. .. and boston rob and bad russell and ruphert should team up.
David Johnson
February 4th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Stephenie has been on four freaking times, she’s obviously not a winner, leave her off. God.
spicy
February 5th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
team russell all the way baby just make it. they rob u last time this time for u baby love ya russell. get rid of rob first