A few weeks ago I caught a ride home with one of my co-workers. He’s a good-looking straight guy who grew up in a smaller part of BC, and recently moved to Vancouver to join our team.
From the moment we met, I knew he felt uneasy whenever he was around me. I wasn’t sure why because I always do my best to be inviting and kind to new people. I get along well, if not amazingly with my staff. I paid him some genuine compliments on his work and tried to keep things light and easy.
Finally he had admitted to me that, indeed, he hadn’t known anyone who was gay (really? In this day and age?) and wasn’t sure if I was ‘coming on’ to him (for the record, I wasn’t.) I only hit on straight guys who know that I’m kidding and can handle it. Well, them and NHL players with long term, high compensating contracts LOL.
What I found most comical about his admission was that he was more so offended when he realized it was all in his head.
“Look, I mean, I think I’m a hot guy and I’ve been here for a few months. I can’t even get a girl to talk to me when I go out.”
“Well, have you actually walked up to a girl, introduced yourself and offered to buy her a drink?” I asked.
“No. I like to be approached”
“Good Luck buddy, this is Vancouver!” I remarked. The conversation continued, and “Bo” (not his real name, just one I stole from Days of Our Lives) found himself taking advice from a Gay.
The more comfortable he felt, the more forthcoming he became. Bo said that he was actually “kinda mad” because I didn’t want him. In his eyes, if a gay guy didn’t find him attractive, then how would any girl in the lower mainland?
His argument sat with me for a while. I tried to put myself in his shoes, and I guess his statement made sense. He was right, gay guys more-so-than-not like a good exterior. Mind you, after we date them for a few weeks, we learn the truth and decide whether or not we’ll put up with the inside folly for the outside sizzle.
But then I also thought to myself “You stupid fuck. How dare you?” I went there in my mind. The literal meaning behind his proclamation hit me. Was he implying that gay guys were the lowest denominator and that “if someone as low as ME and MY KIND wouldn’t want him, then how could he ever get someone above that?”
I didn’t get upset. In fact, I rarely do as I reminded him that the odds were in his favour in a city like this, and to just get out there and go for it. He did and it worked. Go figure. But still I wonder if the average straight man realizes that perhaps he has allies in the gay world. You may be a good looking gent, but it doesn’t mean I have to like you like that. And who knows, maybe I can help guide your milk to the pussycat.
Tommy D
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 am
EW!
That right there is what’s wrong with straights. Especially straight men. I’m sorry, if he wants a gay guy to find him attractive, don’t be surprised if he ends up sucking your dick under your desk at work within a year.
For real.
I can’t STAND assholes like that…I wouldn’t kicked him in the teeth. That’s the difference between the two of us Staub, the yin and the yang.
I hope I never meet him, and if I do, I’ll make sure to tell him how absolutely un-desirable he is to me, and no wonder girls don’t like him.
Jamie
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:59 am
Hmmm… I think there’s another way to interpret his behaviour.
It could be that he thinks gay men are the most knowledgeable when it comes to the sex appeal of the male gender – he considers you the superlative authority on male attractiveness. Therefore, his line of reasoning may be that if you don’t find him attractive or want to get in his pants, then he may, in fact, not be attractive and have no luck finding a woman who is into him. No?
Artem
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 am
I agree with Jamie (and was about to make the same comment just now). From what you’ve written here Johny, it doesn’t appear that this guy is making a negative value judgment regarding gays – though he may be equating us to women, hard to gauge that based on a description.
You’re right thought that he’s still a pig. Personally, I would be offended by his arrogance and the “how dare you not think that I’m hot” mentality that does evidence in what you’ve written, and the attendant view of YOU personally as being less than him or at the very least obligated to find him attractive.
Lets face it though, plenty of gays to exactly the same thing.
Tommy D
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
I do see you point, but I’m going to tell why I think THIS scenario infuriated me.
It’s the whole being awkward around Jonny, not showing him any sort of kindness because he’s “a gay”. That’s what bugs me about this whole situation. I just don’t think its fair to think that we as gay men, can’t look past the exterior. Just because he’s good looking doesn’t mean we should think he’s attractive, especially since he was being a complete dick at first. And he even said it, he wants to be approached. Well sweetheart, grow some balls and go up and make the first move (why, oh why can’t I take my own advice?)
Maybe it’s just me, actually it probably IS just me, but even if someone is a complete god on the outside, doesn’t mean I’m going to think he’s attractive. On the contrary, it’s usually the “avegare men” who are the best ones, gay ro straight. They have a lot more to offer than just being a pretty thing to look at.
Hmmm….I think this is a whole other topic to talk about.
Artem
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Tommy: I totally agree with you. I think both Jamie an I are merely pointing out a very small misinterpretation (or at least how that portion of the post reads). I’m totally with you otherwise, the guy’s a douche for many varied reasons.
Jamie
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I agree with what you’re saying, his initial behaviour was immature and typical of an ignorant straight guy.
There’s a prevalent misconception amongst straight men that if you’re gay you must want to have sex with every man you see just because he has a dick. It’s ridiculous.
Artem
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
On a somewhat related topic: has anyone else noticed that quite a few gay guys with amazing bodies are not all that athletic? I have several experiences with this. The latest occurring last summer when I took a guy hiking. He had a stunning build, but was totally prissy (complete with over-emphasized limp wrists), wore designer shoes and jeans on the hike, and got completely winded less than five minutes into the trail.
It was extremely unattractive, and I’ll grudgingly admit to thinking at the time “what a waste of a good body.” I guess not all that glitters is gold.
Tommy D
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I personally have absolutely zero attraction to straight men. Why even bother, it’s completely unnatainable and no point. I never ever understood the whole falling for a straight guy thing, I think it’s silly.
It’s like a girl falling in love with a gay guy. Silly and completely pointless.
Kyle
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
if you’ve ever hooked up with a “straight” guy, you’ll get the appeal. I LOVE THE HUNT.
Artem
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I don’t know Kyle… The hunt loses some of its appeal after you realize just how easy a lot of those boys are.
Redd
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I wouldn’t say they’re unattainable but I do get your point Tommy about it being silly because all they would be good for if you get them is a lay. Great if that’s all you’re looking for but not so good for the heart if you think you can convert them completely.
Shane
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 am
The male Ego is the same, whether gay or straight. It leads us to believe that we are desirable to every living creature. The force behind the straight man’s “He wants me” is the same force behind the gay man’s “I’ll have him”. It’s quite a shock to both sides when they realize that there is nothing there at all. I’ve actually used this line as an ice breaker, when encountering insecure straight men…”If the women don’t want you, what makes you think I would?” So far, I’ve managed to survive, and opened a few minds along the way. Humor always helps enlighten people.
nairb
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Of course, most straight guys have no reason to be reflectively considering these points until all of a sudden it comes to light in their life. So when they, for example, are sitting there one-on-one in the break room with a gay coworker there is no point of reference for them to work from with anything related to a discussion of sex .
If I were sitting down with someone and they started babbling incoherently about some information technology topic because they know I’ve been in the industry for 30 years and they think I might have some opinion on their specific situation I certainly wouldn’t be upset over their ignorance. I’d listen, offer my opinion on the points where I have experience, explain that I have no experience on the rest, wish them luck and get on with my life.
What do you think?
Jared
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Lol Jonny you’re too funny. I can see where the comments this guy made can come off as being offensive, but I wouldn’t take it to heart. A lot of people don’t know how to talk to gay people and can come off rude. I’m also not too surprised at his ignorance considering there isn’t as much of a gay presence in other parts of BC as there is in Vancouver. Just take it worth a grain of salt.
P.S. I do think that it means 100 times more for a gay guy than a girl to compliment a straight guy :)
Darling
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:38 pm
I’m just still in shock that someone moved to Vancouver for this?
Adam
May 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I completely agree with Artem….. bahahaha… of course i’m kidding.
Jonny, I love it :) Hell, this happens with certain hot gay guys too- not just reserved for the muscled straights ;)
When you wrote moved here to “join our team” I thought you meant to become gay so it took me a while to understand the article (yes, i’m that stupid ha).
I do love the use of Bo though!
And Kyle, stop straight hunting! hahaha.. i’m assuming that’s you mr. d ;)
Houman
May 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
I love this article. Just made my day. Period.
( Straight men are hilarious sometimes.. )
Yaya
May 28th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Jonny,
Sounds like a closeted gay guy to me…. I should know i slept with him.
Wurn
May 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Why do we assume ill will or evil on the part of the straight guy??? Maybe the straight guy is just young, self-centred and naive. Give the straight guy a break — everyone is not born with complete set of skills of self-reflection and human interaction.
I think what he said was extraordinarily brave even if it is cloaked in self-protective bravura. I wish more straight men had the cojones to be so open to a gay guy. They might realize we DO have insights into their behaviour towards women that may be problematic.