Filed under: Adam, Totally GAY!
Author: Adam
Date: Jan 4, 2011
I started off this post as a “Behind the Cast” which for those who aren’t frequenters of the site means it’s an article about something going on in my personal life. And, while that category fits, I decided to change it to the broader category of all-things-gay because I realized this isn’t just an issue that I’ve faced.
Basically, I’m here asking: “Why is it okay to hate the skinny gay?”
Since birth, I’ve been thin. Never had to work for it and never “escaped” it either: my weight (and very likely high metabolism) have been extremely constant throughout my 28 years. Growing up in the 80s and 90s it was frequent to hear the overweight kids get non-stop abuse in the school yard and on the weekends: today, that has definitely taken a shift. While of course there is continual bias against fat people, a shift in the mean body size of Americans and Canadians towards an all-time extreme high has seen the world and public institutions try to become more and more PC and faster to react to hatred against hate speech regarding overweight kids. As a gay, adult male, I’ve seen this shift in our culture as well. Sure, you’ll hear the whispered comment about the overweight guy stuffed into a pair of 32′s, but overall, what’s acceptable to say to each other and out loud is very different.
Personally, I have friends from all walks of life: different ages, races, heights and importantly, different sizes. Some of my friends are very much the “muscle types” in our group while others are content calling themselves “average” in weight: still, others hit the polar ends of the spectrum and range from what would be considered very overweight to very skinny. Now, maybe it’s just my friends (though, I’m not exactly just polling 13 people here), but I can honestly tell you that the only ones ever commented on in a negative or “this is what you need to fix” way are the skinny boys and to a much lesser extent the average size guys. The gym bunnies and fat friends are left without a mark. I don’t understand it at all.
To further distinguish the unique brand of treatment the skinny guys get, while I say the average size guys get commented on, it is to say that they’re often encouraged to hit the gym by the muscle friends or- if they’re attempting to alter their weight which they often are- are asked with genuine interest by their friends how their diet or muscle building endeavor is going. What have I heard asked of the skinny guys? “Why don’t you try eating more?”; “How many times did you throw up today?”; “You look like you’re about to die.” Though it sounds pretty melodramatic, I would say in an average two week period I’ll hear those phrases at least a couple times each. I know you’re likely rolling your eyes about the poor thin kid who can’t take a joke but how would you react to hearing a serious conversation that included: “Why don’t you eat less?”; “How many meals have you had today?”; or, on the other end of it “You look like you’re injecting you’re traps are disgusting” or “You look totally unnatural”. As I’ve said, I’ve got friends who are fat and friends who are huge (including both steroid users and not) and I can say I’ve never heard those comments in casual conversation and can only imagine their reaction if they were told those things.
What spurred this article was a conversation with two of my more extremely muscled friends who informed me with completely straight faces, that if I would gain 10 pounds of muscle, I wouldn’t be single. I literally had no reaction except frustration knowing that the skinny guy “has no excuse”. Where our culture rewards the gay male who eats nothing but chicken breast, wild rice and creatine while attending the gym 6-7 times a week, hearing “I’d hope a guy would like me for more than just my biceps” is unheard of. No, this isn’t every gay male out there I speak for- but it definitely is a lot of them. Personally, I am sexually attracted to a bigger guy (I also don’t mind hairy as heck and 40, but I’m pretty broad in interests). I enjoy a guy who works out and has a healthy attitude about exercise because it usually indicates to me they’re focused and able to dedicate themselves. I- and I’m sure many other lean guys out there- have a really hard time putting on weight and so stay fit by playing soccer on 2-3 leagues at once and play every other night during the week. I ski and run frequently and am very serious about my health. So, to hear: “That doesn’t count- when’s the last time you bench-pressed?” from close friends just tells me that there’s something not quite right with how we treat certain members in our community.
I’m loathe to stereotype an entire faction of gays- specifically the gym boys- and dismiss an obsessions to get bigger as a symptom of megarexia, but I write this to say that there is something to be said for understanding those different from yourself. In a recent article about my New Year’s Resolution wherein I describe a conversation with a friend who suggested I need to: “Be like the person I want to be with” and reject it outright because while I love a 6″3 man, I’m not about to get on the rack and pull my ligaments 5 inches in all directions while simultaneously putting on 40 pounds, I explain that for the most part, my friends have tried to convince me that the only way to get noticed by a handsome, built guy is to be one myself. I’m sorry, but that sort of arrogance and condescending message just doesn’t fly with me.
First, I honestly don’t believe they would be nearly as brazen and confrontational with our fatter friends and second, I don’t think the world is quite as superficial as many of us are led to believe. This is hardly a calling to all those gays out there who see past sizes, but rather a standing up by one skinny kid saying that too often my portion of the gay population is seen as easy targets that don’t deserve the common courtesy the rest of the gays do. We’re all gonna make jokes to make ourselves feel better about our too-often self-conscious selves, but between friends at very least there needs to be a shift. Some thin guys want to get bigger, some want to stay the same and hell, some want to trim down even more, but anyway it is, I think it should be their decision and not just a source of easy humour for the rest of em’.
Fran Correas
January 4th, 2011 at 11:26 am
SO TRUE! Well, at least until the moment you reach 36 y.o. and then you have to describe yourself as “chubby”
Jaime F
January 4th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Sounds like a whiny skinny bitch to me LOL
Brett
January 4th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Agreed, Jaime. If being too thin is your biggest problem, you’re probably doing alright in life.
Nick C
January 4th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I totally agree with Jaime F.
McKenzie
January 4th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
amen!
People think cuz ur skinney, its easy to gain weight, or muscle mass….but for most of us, its just as hard to gain weight, as it is for a larger person to loose weight!!! And ur right, people seem to have no problem calling out a “Skinny Bitch” but would never call someone a fat cow to their faces…..skinny bitches have feelings too :P
Nick C
January 4th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I forgot to add…. that I used to be a skinny bitch but then I discovered the gym and protein supplements… OH and it wasn’t hard at all.
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Oh.My.Goodness.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
I REALLY want to slap you right now.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
And THANK you all for proving my point!
Like McKenzie pointed out, if this article had been called: “Do I have to loose weight to be loved?” by a young gay struggling with overweight issues would all of you REALLY have been writing: “JESUS, get off the couch!”, “If people calling you a disgusting pig is your biggest issue then consider yourself just fine!” or “I lost weight, it’s REALLY easy… maybe there’s something wrong with you?” … NOPE!
Continue the skinny hate, it completely shows your hypocrisy and the veracity of my argument ;)
Tommy: you wrote half a dozen PLUS “updates” (without being prompted) about your struggle with weight and attempt to work on it… how much hate did you get for yours again…? how many people wrote: “Stop worrying about your weight and get REAL problems!”…? didn’t think so sweets, actually, i think the message I wrote was “Congrats and you look great”… but slap away, it’s what you do best ;)
tired of hearin' it queen
January 4th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
it’s one thing when you are naturally skinny and thin to be upset and feel hurt by people that talk negatively about your appearance.
it’s a completely different thing when you don’t eat appropriately (including binging/purging as well as refraining from eating healthy items and portions, etc) to maintain your skinny figure. not to mention staying away from the gym to keep a ‘boyish’ or stereotypically twink-like body. add to that, the fact that there are many, many, many times when you have lifted your shirt up to show off your how skinny you are.
i also would not be so quick to pull the victim card when you easily offer up your opinion of people who you don’t feel are attractive, not only in their faces/features, but their weight as well.
it’s an old adage, but it’s still very true – ‘don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house,’ even if it’s a skinny house.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Tired Queen: First off, you were probably looking for this (http://www.homorazzi.com/article/bulimia-eating-disorder-bulimia-eating-disorder/) there’s the link to Jamie’s heartfelt and revealing post about struggling with an eating disorder as a young, gay male… if you wanted to call him pathetic and disgusting as it seems you’re looking to, that’d be the place to post the comment! Oh, and to the 150,000+ men and women that die a year from anorexia alone, I’m sure there’s some support group online you can write to to tell them to stop “pulling the victim card” as you put it! There were too many sites for me to offer here- seems like a LOT of parents and loved ones of those suffering complain a lot.. SHEESSH!
Further, I do love the assumption that those who are skinny are doing something to make it that way- unless you have cameras in our house and at our dinner table it’s interesting to think that YOU know exactly how and why we’re skinny :)
And yes, I DO like my body… that’s the point of the article silly (i’m sure a lot got lost on ya so don’t worry ;) but it’s the feeling of resentment and unabashed rudeness a lot of us get that others don’t that I write about.
And sugar, I did actually point out that still fat jokes are of course made (jokes covering the whole spectrum are) but it was my opinion that these thin jokes are the most loud and to-the-face of the recipient… that’s the point of the post… don’t worry if you didn’t follow ;)
Landon
January 4th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
I happen to be attracted to a lot of skinny guys and I like them just the way they are. There is someone for everyone and when you’re skinny, there will be people who are attracted to that. I happen to think that a lot of men who have muscles are too big, because skinny is my preference. So there will always be people who like you for you…don’t change just find the people who will like you for you.
Landon
January 4th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
And i also think that the guys in the picture for this post are very hot and they are perfect for me (body wise)
=)
T
January 4th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Hey there from Portugal!
Since I remember, I have always been thin, skinny, whatever you wanna call it. Even now (as I look much younger than I really am) there are a lot of people phisically interested in me, and there are people who don’t like skinny guys, but… you know… everyone’s getting fat right after they leave the gyms, so… the tendency around Europe now is for skinny guys, specially the ones that keep the same weight and structure over the years. Everytime you see a guy with a beautiful body, be aware and try to imagine him with 20 years more! He will probably get fat! A thin guy (in most cases) will always be a thin guy!
Jason in Seattle
January 4th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
I think maybe there are a couple different issues being blended here (and in the comments):
I agree there is a double-standard in that everyone will bend over backwards to be encouraging and non-judgemental to someone who is overweight. They will say 10 times over “you’re fine just the way you are!” until they may actually suggest losing 15 lbs upon being pushed. Some gay men struggle with their weight and are unhappy about it, some do and don’t give a fuck, and some actually ENJOY being a heavier bear/cub type (which is a factor of gay culture that is certainly invisible on Homorazzi, just sayin’ boys….). The point being, most people purposefully defer to being incredibly nuanced and cautious with their comments when it comes to speaking with authority on someone’s OVERweight body.
Yet for someone who is underweight that retiscence isn’t there. At. All. Gay men will make flippant “eat a burger” comments without knowing whether the person is happy with their size or not. People of all sizes will give an underweight person all sorts of unsolicited advice and even snarky comments without knowing the story: do they struggle with being underweight? do they aspire to have muscles? are they purposefully seeking some ultra-thin twink look? Or (rare, but still) could there be an actual eating disorder like bulemia under the surface.
That said, if actual advice is indeed asked for I think someone should give away. However, don’t complicate the issue–or risk coming across as insensitive or shallow–by making eating/gym advice romance advice. They are two different beasts.
Lauren
January 4th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
The reason the comments about the “fat cow” are whispered is because those doing the whispering enjoy pointing out people fatter than themselves. Calling you out as a “skinny bitch” to your face is obviously out of jealousy, hoping if they say if enough you’ll put on some pounds and make them look a little better. You think my obsession with being thin is unhealthy and gross, but that’s exactly what a fat girl would say.
tired of hearin' it queen
January 4th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
for the record… i’m not referring to jamie, nor am i referring to any of the 150,000+ men and women dealing with anorexia or bulimia and there is no assumption on my part that all skinny people are doing something to to make it that way. my comment was directed towards you, adam.
furthermore, the reason i decided to reply to this ridiculous article was to call out the fact that you have absolutely no shame in shitting on others and their appearances. so, while i would never say that i’m happy that someone sat you down, talked to you about your appearance and subsequently hurt your feelings, i will admit that i hope getting a taste of your own medicine would make you think twice before making comments about someone else’s appearance.
and, sugar, i did notice that you pointed out that fat jokes are still made, but i pointed out that you are one of those people that make those ‘unabashed’ – as you put it – jokes and have no shame in doing so.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Jason: you might have seen past my layers of sarcasm to the main instigator and possibly disguised real purpose of me writing this- the mixing of muscle “tips” and dating advice.
I’ve heard every word and joke throughout the years about the skinny stuff and am just fine, but it was the unfortunate comment by friends that “that’s the reason I can’t get a guy”.
Thanks for your comment mr ;)
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Sorry Tired Queen, I didn’t know that you only meant MY possible eating disorder is allowance for people to make jokes about me specifically while others’ eating disorders are a serious matter. I did the whole “assume people all deserve to be treated as equal” thing applied to your belief. Silly me :)
Brent
January 4th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Wow, ok, bottom line seems to be, let’s all stop be condescending bitches. I mean, basically, the problem comes from people trying to tell everyone else what to do. I know I’ve made the “eat a burger” comment to skinny boys, even my ex. But most of the time, it turns out they DO eat, a lot! They’re just naturally skinny. Which is totally cool. Some guys like that, some don’t. Just like any other body type. My comments usually come from jealously anyway. I wish I could eat like them and stay that skinny.
Anyway, I just wanted to say, you’re right Adam. Guys need to stop thinking they know everything and have to tell everyone what to do. Especially when it comes to “that’s why you can’t get a guy.” Unless it’s a close friend and you’re having a heart-felt discussion about singleness, no one should tell someone “that’s why you can’t get a guy.” Even then, you have to realize you don’t know everything.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Brent- Thanks very much for your perspective on all this! Especially from the rare point of view of someone who admits to makin’ the jokes once in a while themselves!
Sadly, the discussion that prompted this DID come up in a heart-felt discussion with a close friend (two)… so maybe I was just being a bit too sensitive haha.. that’s definitely possible knowing me ha :)
tired of hearin' it queen
January 4th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
my final post, because i am so very tired…
your possible eating disorder doesn’t open the door for people to make jokes at your expense – that wouldn’t be right. your continual negative opinions and fat/ugly jokes about others, however, does.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Oh Sweets, we all make jokes and make rude comments.
No one person is mother theresa and never, ever, ever DOESN’T say an off-hand insult.
This article accepts that we do this day in and day out: about clothes, jobs, voice, race, religion, intelligence and size. What I DO centre on is the recent seeming acceptance among the gay culture specifically (though certainly not exclusively) to mock skinny/lean/twink/what have you guys about their weight or lack-therefor.
No one (for the VERY most part- nothing in the world is 100% of course) is walking up to a black gay man and commenting negatively about his race, no one is mocking a jewish gay man for his faith to his face, no one is telling a less-than-average intelligence gay man “you’re single because you’re stupid’… what we ARE doing is telling skinny boys to go eat, to look in a mirror and ask them how their bulimia is doing.
THAT’S what this article is about: and I posit that this new trend of skinny bashing “to their face” without a second thought to feelings is what needs to be looked at in our community.
The first 5 or so comments on this article ALONE prove this feeling exists- but do please feel free to argue!
x
Ess
January 4th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Your problem isn’t that you’re skinny, you’re problem is that you live in the Vancouver Gay Scene! Being a gay man not from the West Coast, I’ve had the opportunity to live somewhere where your worth wasn’t based on how much you could bench press or how outrageously huge your pecs are. You’d be surprised that there are places where a “Gay Community” actually means more than just a bunch of gays living downtown.
I moved to Vancouver a year ago, and I’ve got to say that Vancouver, from what I’ve seen so far, has the most stereotypical, superficial, unwelcoming gay “community” (if I could even call it that) that I’ve ever experienced. To be fair though, I have met a few stand up guys since living here – however, few of them are actually originally from this city!
I don’t know much about you and your friends, but all I’ve gotta say is FUCK what these people tell you. If my friends told me that what I had to do to find a man in this city was to essentially “become more attractive” by spending more time at the gym than I could even fathom, I’d a) drop those worthless friends and b) move on!
There ARE genuine guys out there that will like for who you are, they’re just likely not from Vancouver!
P.s. Some of those comments above are just painful to read. Vancouver gay men at their finest!
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Ess: thanks very much for the outsider perspective! I do think a huge majority of these comments are coming from Vancouver (and nearby, west coast states) and we are very definitely affected by our environment!
I’ve absolutely heard more than a couple comments that vancouver’s gay community requires air quotes when mentioning it ha- maybe that’ll be my next article topic ha. Sorry we haven’t been more welcoming to ya! I think the whole city in general is hyper vigilant of shape and size (LA of up north ;)
Thanks for the vote of independence about stoically rising above the comments! Despite my lean build, I’m one of the most thick-skinned out there so I am doing my best to ignore the remarks and not hold my friends too accountable for it, but you’re absolutely right that anyone- and especially a culture such as our own- need to learn to live proud of who we are.
thanks again!
Rick
January 4th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
WOW – Interesting, kind of heated conversation to think about from a comfortable, objective distance. Adam, it does suck when the comments or advice from our friends feel like thinly, veiled barbs. Now that you have shared your thoughts, I’m guessing that going forward – your friends will be more sensitive of the words that they chose to support you.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Rick- haha, you MIGHT think so from the objective distance, but if you knew me and mine you’d know that there’s NO filtering me with them and certainly none going the other way when they talk to me ha. I’d always much rather know what they actually feel rather than false niceties: my shock about the two mentioned friends specifically was over sheer surprise to know they really felt that way about me and my size. Otherwise, the article focusing on the trend of gays in general, THAT I do think needs a bit more sensitivity ;)
Glad you like the debate!
Dave
January 4th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
I think this article has two very different aspects to it. Part one, that we shouldn’t accept jokes poked at a group of individuals (skinny) while not accepting jokes at others. Part two of this article is way more personal. I agree with part one, but as one of the two mentioned friends in the article who were part of the conversation, you have taken something and run with it and in my opinion are being too sensitive. Especially since this conversation came after 3+ bottles of wine and our history of bantering back and forth.
We did not say, and were not saying, “that’s the reason you can’t get a guy”. We were simply saying that from our experience, and our own personal preference, we are more attracted to guys that workout. I workout to reach a goal of what I think is attractive and am attracted to those who do the same. At the same time, I understand that other people have preferences and attractions different from that.
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
I will be the first to admit that yes I did the losing weight posts. But the fact is I was doing something about it.
I don’t really understand this post much. So people tell you to eat a burger..is that ACTUALLY insulting? I would KILL for people to tell me that. This post just seems like poor little rich girl.
And it really is not hard to gain weight if you want to. There are a million programs to do it, you just have to actually stick to it. My case in point look at landon. he was a motherfucker skinny bitch when I first met him, and now that boy is pure beef.
So my advice to you, if you like the way you are, quit your whining and tell everyone to fuck off. Or just roll with the punches because if you give them out (like you do Adam) you gotta be man enough to take em.
And if you don’t like being “so skinny” then do something about it. It IS POSSIBLE! you actually can put on weight if you get on a program and stick to it. Not quit after a month because you’re not up 15 pounds. And Blog about that..THAT I would love to see. We could do a comparison of how it all goes! Think of the hits!
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
And Adam, you’re not single because you’re skinny, you single because you’re not finding the right person.
that and you’re a darn ‘ho.
No one want to ice cream truck when you’re handing out the bars for free girl!
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Tommy, if someone said this to your face a year ago when you were at a weight you yourself called undesirably… you HONESTLY wouldn’t have a knee-jerk, negative reaction. You’d REALLY just say: “you’re right!”..?
Try and convince me of that…
“I don’t really understand this post much. So people tell you to NOT eat a burger..is that ACTUALLY insulting? I would KILL for people to tell me that. This post just seems like poor little rich girl.
And it really is not hard to LOSE weight if you want to. There are a million programs to do it, you just have to actually stick to it. My case in point look at JESSICA SIMPSON. SHE was a motherfucker FAT bitch A YEAR AGO, and now that GIRL is pure BONE.
So my advice to you, if you like the way you are, quit your whining and tell everyone to fuck off. Or just roll with the punches because if you give them out (like you do TOMMY) you gotta be man enough to take em.
And if you don’t like being “so FAT” then do something about it. It IS POSSIBLE! you actually LOSE weight if you get on a program and stick to it. Not quit after a month because you’re not DOWN 15 pounds.”
please, oh please, oh PLEASE tell me that would have made your furious a year ago ;) Or ANY large person for that matter :)
oh, and I won’t say something as rude as “at least people want a lick” but ;)
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Dave you’re right the wording wasn’t “that’s the reason…”. The EXACT words (which I had repeated more than once to make very, very clear) were, verbatim: “Adam, if you gained 10 pounds, you’d be able to get a boyfriend”.
I’m sorry if I misconstrued that ambiguous comment- I didn’t want to name names for that very purpose in case I didn’t see the many layers of its meaning.
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Hahah oh Adam…they DID do that to me a year ago. How little you know.
I don’t get why you just flipped that around. It actually did happen to me, and my friend DID tell me I was getting too big, so I took it in stride and dealt with it.
I suggest you do that same. If what they say really bothers you, and if you want to change it. Then quit being such a baby and change it. Seriously…
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Tommy, I’m really sorry your close friends told you you’re too fat. That’s terrible.
Joey
January 4th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Yes, Im skinny, I’ve been skinny all my life, I eat a lot and Yes !!! Im skinny, Im a bitch !!!! FUCK YOU FAT ASSES !!!! KEEP HATING BITCHES !!!!
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
haha no it wasn’t. I knew it, they knew. I was feeling gross they noticed it, I noticed it. Everyone noticed it. but I wasn’t happy with it so I changed it. I suggest you do the same if you want to.
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@Joey
It’s true…I would rather be too skinny. You pretty much hit the nail on the head there.
Adam
January 4th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Ess, you get more and more right.
Tommy, I’m glad you changed what you wanted to about yourself, it’s just sad you being “average” (I’ve seen you on manhunt for years now and that never changed till now) meant your friends should tell you you’re fat and need to
Stop being fat. I feel sad about that. For you and our city.
Tommy D
January 4th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
oh goodness. There just really is absolutely no winning with you Adam.
Moving on…
ger
January 5th, 2011 at 3:33 am
I don’t know any of you, but it looks like Tommy D speaks the truth and Adam just … speaks.
kodie
January 5th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
I think whoever sat you down and had this “intervention” or “thintervention” if you will. Has worse body issues than anybody…as long as you don’t have any eating disorders and are healthy then you should tell those people to suck your fat one, no pun intended!
Colby
January 5th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Back to the issue, I have some sympathy for Adam’s original point. While my friends would likely now describe me as the “muscle type”, back in high school, my frame was almost identical to Adam’s and I probably had maybe only ten pounds on him. I was self-conscious about it, and hearing “oh my god you’re so skinny!” was not a compliment. It was quite hurtful, and my fragile self-esteem took a big hit. I would encourage anyone who’s about to say “oh my god you’re so skinny” to think about whether the recipient is going to love hearing it. Adam is quite right that political correctness has caused us to no longer make the fat jokes publicly, but still leaves skinny people free to hear comments about their body types, well-intended though they may be. Eventually, it motivated me to hit the gym, my metabolism eventually slowed, and now I have to run my ass off in order to avoid getting “fat”.
The difference, though, with someone like Adam is that I don’t think he’s self-conscious about being skinny. I don’t think hearing “you’re so skinny” generally is hurtful to him. I think his body type is a point of pride with him. I can imagine that hearing that he should change it in order to have better success in love would be hurtful, but the skinny comments in general wouldn’t be.
No one should have to change their body type for love. If you’re healthy at your own weight, leave it alone or change it only to make yourself happier, not anyone else.
Adam
January 5th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Regardless of the position or the opinion anyone has had or has on this, I appreciate them all and I’m just really glad that we got to have as much of a debate as we could with an article/comment situation!
Thanks to all for the varied points of views- no matter your body size or stance on this, I’m really excited we got to discuss this topic… I’ve had some great emails about a lot of guys really thankful this issue has been at least considered, even if it’s not exactly a “solvable” issue :) Thanks again!
Rich
January 5th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Hmmm…. I know how Adam feels… and that is NOT usual. I get called too skinny pretty often (even by a PAST boyfriend) and I weigh almost 200 pounds! To be fair, I am 6’4″.
But, I am happy with my body and the kind of work outs I do. I like cardio, sports, rowing, swimming etc. I loathe “weight lifting”. For me, the most important thing is being healthy and happy. For the most part I’m there, so I’m good. I do wish more of us could get there.
I know the pressure to “get bigger”. I was a varsity athlete for many years and had to be put on a special caloric diet becuase I lost so much weight during peak training… that plus the fact that I only have one kidney. Doing Creatine and high protein everything is out of the question. Always will be. I’m never going be a 230 pound muscle boy.
Having just come back from an amazing holiday in Puerto Vallarta where the whole spectrum of gay body is on display, I can tell you that the sexiest thing is actually confidence. Bears in speedos, muscle boys in speedos, twinks in speedos, daddies in speedos, joe average in speedos… blah blah blah. Rocking what you got and having fun is sexier in the long run than a body that will eventually sag and sunspot. lols.
Sorry Adam if I’ve ever “ribbed” you on this one. I know I have joked about it sometimes.
Adam
January 5th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Someone likes speedos haha.
Thanks for the perspective from someone who HAS done a lot of work on themselves and has never turned “giant muscle builder” but rather happy and confident about who you are and what you look like! It’s particularly great to hear a refutation to the all-too-easy: “Why don’t you just eat a pound of creatine a day” argument ha.
And Rich, no need to apologize in the least. I have put myself out there body and mind to judge and be judged alike. Though this was spurred by me hearing and getting affected by the argument that I’m single because of my body type, this definitely isn’t a cry to my friends to “leave me alone” but do think about the skinny/lean/twink guys out there who too often get mocked to their thin faces without a second thought!
Confidence and pride is definitely the name of the game rich, you’re right!
Mark
January 6th, 2011 at 6:10 am
FINALLY!!!
Thank you so much to both Adam and Tommy (though they seem to be fighting on this back and forth lol) for representing and standing up for the gay community that ISN’T PERFECT. I love your site- especially for the gay updates in the army- but coming on day in and day out and seeing “ULTIMATE HOTTIE MAN CRUSH” or whatever it’s called thrown in my skinny-body face started to get me really down on myself! I have been really really skinny all my life. In fact, I have been diagnosed with a form of hyper metabolism that prevents me from properly ammasing weight and still day in and day out in clubs and with friends that don’t know me that well, I hear those exact words from this article: “Why don’t you just eat more? You look gross”. Then, to come onto a site for gays and by gays and constantly see perfect bodies and polls that have hundreds of thousands of votes tell me how perfect some model is when i would probably get three votes (from my mom haha) about me if I was in that competition kind of made me feel like shit.
So, to hear an argument for us mocked and almost alwbays overlooked twinks really makes me appreciate myself a little more.
Thanks homorazzi for taking a break from perfect beauty to stand up for the normal guys!!
Dan
January 6th, 2011 at 7:41 am
I’m one of the guys that wrote the author of this article and decided after reading a LOT of pretty negative comments on here to say AMEN TO SKINNY BOYS on here.
The debate going on here is totally what this city (YVR) and a lot the west coast NEEDS to realize that we’re going off the deep end with muscle muscle muscle. If that’s what you want then GREAT go for it, but some of us don’t and some of us have a hard time getting there. Sure, we can “do something about it” but a lot of the time it’s a matter of resources like money and free time at least for me and my boyfriend: mark before me.
So keep on with the debate- I still don’t knw how anyone can say it’s cool to say “gain weight” to someone and NOT “lose weight”?? but i’m tracking this post to learn and find out more. !!!
Harry
January 6th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Good on you to the boyfriend commentators before me for standing up for yourselves and finding each other!
I’m a definite fan of the cite as well and am really happy for the break in perfect body articles as well!!
We all have crushes and like hearing about celebs, but a site with gay writers that look so different from what I can tell should also allow that maybe sexiness can be found in different shapes and sizes and not just the gym 9 times a week air brushed men you guys usually right about. It does hurt to think us skinny guys would probably be laughed off the stage by most of thee writers here considering what they praise and always write about so good to know some guys on here stand up for and might even like a guy like me lol.
Jaime F
January 6th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
What you don’t realize is that there are less chubby chasers then there are skinny likers. Anyone would really date a skinny person but not an overweight person. And yes, I would SO CALL it out. “Get off your ass and exercise fat cow!”. But then I’d be right there to help them at the gym. I’m sorry but I don’t see how being healthy and attractive is the same as being overweight and and not attractive. You will NEVER convince me of this. Like I said you are just a skinny bitch whining about how a few people may not like you. Get over it because the overweight boy has MUCH less to pick from or get rid of the fat.
Yion
January 7th, 2011 at 1:39 am
Really happy to say that this is being spoken of.
I am from Eastern Europe and what men look like there is much to different from what I am seeing in Vancouver.
Your videos of what men look like in my country are of the Bel Ami and are most part big men but we are not all that way. Many of us are skinny and don’t have as good nutrition as you have here so can not be as big as you on this site usually say is “pretty” and “super hot” as many of you post on this article.
Still, I think we are beautiful even if not in gym (which many of us can not afford) all day. You say easy to gain weight? Not so in many many parts of world and shame for thinking.
I thank you for seeing my point. It is so happy to see that not everything on homorazzi (i love this site!) is always about men with money and time to gym. we are not all like that.
thank you very much and apologies for my english I am new here.
Yion.
Jeremy
February 27th, 2012 at 8:47 am
awesome article! you have all the reason, i’m so tired to see muscular hot guys who should be the prototipe of gay men, i mean , i’m skinny and i don’t want to be a muscular one, i’m happy with my body and how you said, i want to be loved by who i am, no for my perfect bicepts or whatever. I particulary love bigger dudes also, i want to love one, not be like they.
Andy
November 23rd, 2012 at 6:24 am
this actually made my night, I am right there with you. Its so damn true that people just don’t understand how much work goes into what comes naturally for others. And for someone like me who’s actually jumped head first into the fitness field, the only damn advice I could get from ANYONE are fucking supplements or protein shakes. that damn BS and they know it. ONE they don’t work for everyone, two its a lifetime commitment at the gym, cause you know itll just leave once you stop using, and four for people avoiding unnatural anything they won’t be able to take them anyway. Not everyone wants to look like the fuckin hulk.
and that advice to look like the person you want to date is crap, if i wanted to date myself Id invest in more mirrors.
Adam
March 8th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Thanks for the great response there Andy! I’m sorry my email sluffed the notification you wrote me so many months ago! I absolutely do not want to look like the man I want to end up with so hell’s ya to you feeling the same. Everyone has to make their own decision how they spend their time and how they treat their body and I say lean is just as skinny as huge to the right guy so screw anyone who thinks we’re the “other” haha.