Getting my hair cut by a friend recently, we started chatting about the just passed “Red Dress” event in Seattle where gay men don ladies’ attire- specifically, red dresses- to increase awareness of HIV and AIDS and raise a huge amount of money for the cause as well. Some go all out: shave the legs, mascara the eyes and heel the shoes, while others go as men… in a red dress. My friend excitedly declared he hoped they bring the event up to Vancouver cause he can’t wait to try on a dress and go nuts for the night; I was curious to hear that he actually looked forward to going out in women’s clothing. My question of: “Really?” was met with a resounding: “Yeah! It’d be so hot!” Scrunching up my face as I imagined what my bearded, 6″1 friend would look like in a BCBG original, cherry-coloured backless, I realized I would lose whatever sexual attraction I would usually muster for him the second I saw him dolled up. It got me to thinking: does drag actually turn gays on or is it just a way to express oneself without involving a stirring in the loins?
Coming off a recent article regarding racial preferences in dating, I thought this might be an interesting follow up as I’ve heard a myriad of different views on this topic for years now. Before we delve into the wider net of gay drag in general however, let’s begin by focusing first on drag queens specifically. I absolutely love a good drag show: the fantasy, the glitter, the ebullient singing and crowd “reading” (thank you RuPaul for that term ;). One of our writers Tommy D shim-self puts on a show more than a few times a year as the brobdingnagianly tall and extravagant “Syren” and it’s always a blast to attend. I can even appreciate the unique beauty and work required to pull off a realistic look: our reigning drag empress Raye Sunshine has an undeniable sexiness that even manages to appeal to the 2% remaining hetero part of me. BUT, as they are men, and I like men, I am not able to achieve wood knowing that their gibblies are tucked and taped away and that there’s more MAC slapped on their mugs than a 90s Tammy Faye Bakker.
My first question has got to be: what are gay men attracted to in drag queens, the male, the female, or simply the performer? Never having really given it much thought before, I suppose my forced answer on this one might be that maybe it doesn’t matter? I see drag queens as this “other” category that certain people out there are able to sexualize based on their personality and- in this case- showmanship wherein what what the turned on mo is interested in is the person/character and not their privates. But, then, I remember that at the end of the day, there IS a penis down there and I’m sure a lot of gay men keep that in mind and have an attraction to our hypothetical “Miss Carriage”, all the while thinking of what the peen on our ovary-less lady looks like. So, to those men I ask: “Doesn’t the make-up and spanx get in the way of you liking men?”
Returning to the concept of gay drag in general, I suppose for me, this issue is more of a personal one and for that reason I shouldn’t assume it’s a “problem” any other gay man out there has. To me, a gay guy who applies a coat of blush or a layer of foundation or whatever the hell that pencil thing for your eye is called, is not the guy for me. To each his own, but even walking shoulder-to-shoulder as a friend, I think I might have a problem with it. Sure, fetish nights at local gay clubs brings out the craziness in people, but day to day or even weekend to weekend, a “getting ready” regime that includes something purchased across the counter at Clinique is not something my sexuality is prepared to deal with. Admittedly, I perform certain “manscaping” routines that have been dismissed as “unmanly” by my more traditional and man-purist friends as they wonder how any gay could trim a nether region, shave a chest or even fake-and-bake and still call themselves a real man. So, I guess it’s all a matter of where you draw the line.
Returning to the faction of men who do get a “stir down there” from seeing gays in drag, I wonder if there’s a predominant desire to top or bottom for the “ladies”…? Maybe that’s a dumb question akin to: “Do most gays like to bottom or top?” Setting aside the fact that nearly every city I visit/view on Manhunt has page after page of mo’s complaining there’s is the city of “no tops”, the likelihood is that you’ll find a 50/50 average between the two preferences (including those much-sought after “vers” boys). So, would this number apply to men who get turned on by drag? Again, I have a hard time believing that when you see that chicken cutlet-stuffed and painted-an-inch-thick man/lady, you get to thinkin’: “Man, I can’t WAIT for him/her to top me!” Am I being close-minded? I’d compare it to the daddy/son relationship between many gay men which often pairs a built, hairy older man (top) with a young, smooth and lithe boy (bottom). Clearly, that is not necessarily the positions those two must/will take, but I think for the most part we can agree that’s what happens once the 45-year old gets me back to his place (WHOOPS! TMI ;) Does this type of positional association/assumption carry over into the world of drag doers (ie. those who do boys in drag)? Hell, maybe I’m looking at this all wrong and the commanding and bold presence of these often larger than life lovelies screams (in falsetto of course): “I’m a Top!“…? Certainly not a question I have the answer to ha.
Finally, to return to the naysayers of drag-sex out there… just how much do you not see the draggers as a source of sexual inspiration? Personally, my answer is: “Just not for me.” Still, I can’t even count the amount of times I’ve heard the declaration: “If I ever saw a guy I liked in drag I would lose all attraction to him instantly.” Does that seem reasonable or too harsh? I’m frequently hard-pressed to make any statement with the connotation of “always”, “ever” or “all”, so this bold statement doesn’t quite apply to my personal feelings, but I can understand the sentiment. When you enjoy men and all the parts that come with that, to see them tucked away and molded into their double-X chromosomal counterparts… doesn’t that cause a bit of the ol’ cognitive dissonance? While I would hope- haven’t tested it yet- that seein’ a crush in lingerie wouldn’t irrevocably shatter my ability to see em’ as a sexy piece of meat, I’m not sure I wouldn’t flash back to those nylons and nail polish every time I saw him in the bedroom.
In the end, it’s all a matter of personal preference. Is it wrong to dismiss a man sexually for his predilection to get on stage and let “her” rip or don a frock and take on the alter-(she)-go for a night? Or, are we just livin’ the way our libido directs us and shame be damned if that leads to a lady packin’ some pocket sausage? I’d love to hear from all sides of the story on this one and particularly from the drag lovers out there (there MUST be a term for those boys… Tommy, can you help me out here?), if not the gays who drag, themselves ;) Tell me what I’m missin’ out on!
Justin
October 29th, 2010 at 1:04 am
There is an old saying that the only acceptable means to be overweight in the gay male community is to be in drag. Lest we forget, it was drag queens in New York that fought back in Stonewall, that sparked the modern gay rights movement. For that I owe an immense debt.
Scott
October 29th, 2010 at 1:14 am
I just hate drag queens in Vancouver… the one’s i’ve seen at Celebrities look like some horrible dude with hairy legs. I guess i’m spoiled coming from the drag queen capital of Toronto / Montreal.
gay person
October 29th, 2010 at 6:28 am
lol @ justins old saying.
i don’t know about other guys who drag…but I personally would never ever have sex in drag, i feel not right nor attractive…chick with a dick = not hot in my opinion.
i think normally drag queens do there drag ocassionally rest of the time they are themselves and I personally wouldnt be turned off if I knew someone did drag. Unless, they insisted on having sex IN drag….then no. Overall, I’d love to be with a guy who was a drag queen (share clothes ad make up) nd then comehome wash off all mke upand fuck. Lol.
Anyways, liked this article.
gay person
October 29th, 2010 at 6:31 am
oh and even though drag queens are just dressing as a girl for a night…i would be obliged to call those who fuck a drag queen while s/he is in drag…that guy would be called tranny chaser. ( kind of like chuppy chaser).
gay person
October 29th, 2010 at 6:33 am
and i dont take ownership of that term even though I said “I” call it that….its a term I heard coined by RuPaul.
Rich
October 29th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
I think you need to differentiate between Tranvestism, gender identity and Drag. They are all different things.
Tranvestism is the sexual fetish, transsexuality is the gender identity, and drag is the hair whipping entertainment. They can all mix and mingle, but it is an important distinction.
I don’t think most drag queens do it for sexual gratification… my hunch is they do it for entertainment and show(wo)manship.
Adam
October 29th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Rich, I totally understand there’s important distinctions between the three.. but, focusing specifically on drag I think there’s still a question of how it makes gay boys react sexually. Regardless of what the motivation to drag is, I’m wondering how the viewer sees em’. I seem to remember a “friend from the site” starting to date someone and saying something to the effect of: “I’m not sure if I’m ready to have him see my drag pics yet…” So while the motivation for the drag queen is entertainment there’s still an undeniable effect on gay guys and that’s what i’m wondering about :)
a guy
October 29th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Although they’re found throughout the gay world, I’ve never been that interested in drag shows, never going out of my way to see them. But I’ve learned to accept them and guys who like drag as a part of the gay experience.
There’s probably a difference in “drag artists” versus “trannies”, I think, in the varying degree of how feminine they are when out of drag, in whether they see it as a career or an orientation. From what I’ve learned, the preference for either top or bottom isn’t fixed among trannies, so that particular part of their sexual expression isn’t necessarily connected to the other.
If I was attracted to women though I wouldn’t be gay, which is why I don’t think most gay guys are attracted to drag queens sexually. For me, that also includes personality characteristics generally associated with femininity. Many gay guys are often too feminine in many ways for my taste, let alone those who put on dresses too. Guys who do “camp” well can be entertaining and make fun friends; but conversely, that also makes them sexually unattractive for me. Most who would happily join in the Red Dress event would not be found in my little black book. Unfortunately, in the gay community it’s not normal or easy to meet masculine gay guys, in my experience. If anyone knows where they hang out, let me know!
Personally, if I learn a guy does drag – or even enjoys putting on makeup and a dress for Halloween – I’m turned off.
My ideal gay world would be more like ancient Sparta, with muscular, brutish warriors everywhere, none of whom ever wear dresses and clownish makeup or say “gurrrl”. To be inclusive, of course between Sparta and Lesbos there’d be an island just for trannies with a big stage and lots of closets for oversized pumps.
Men in drag have been a part of life since the original Shakespearian stage at least; but I’m bothered by why we’ve generally decided that drag queens like Joan-E are spokespeople for the community. Yes, they’re often bold, outspoken, and unashamed of their sexuality. And yes, they’re used to being in the public eye and on stage. But other than a mutual attraction to men, there is otherwise little about them that I feel represents me, and I’m sure I’m not the only one desperate for a masculine type of public gay spokesperson or role model.
Being in the limelight does have its positive side though: at least drag queens are often out there doing some good work in the community, unlike most gay guys who couldn’t be bothered.
Tommy D
October 29th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
OH god…are you KIDDING ME with this article?!? This is the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.
OK – FIRST OF ALL – Drag Queens (almost all of the time) do NOT get all done up in the hopes of getting some action. That is a completely different ballgame. Drag Queens do it to perform, to have fun, to get attention, to make money (sometimes really GOOD money). I can’t speak for anyone else, but for myself, it’s all about the show honey. I do not get my sexual kicks from it, I do not go out an pickup in drag. It actually makes me laugh when men try to pick me up in drag (yes…it has happened beleive it or not. They like girls with big hands).
As far as why gay guys love drag queen, um BECAUSE WE ARE AMAZING DUHHH! HAHA. Seriously, we’re like giant clowns. And for Scott who got a bit testy, honey there is SUCH a huge spectrum of drag. You may not have to like it, but you should give the person respect for doing it. One of the hardest things in the world is wearing all of that stuff and having to deal with bitches. So just take a step back and appreciate what the person is doing.
Now to everyone who gets INSTANTLY turned off by someone who does drag, well then that is really your own insecurities and your own shit. I’m going to tell you a secret, if you and I met when I hadn’t been doing a show in a couple weeks, you wouldn’t know that I do drag sometimes. Honestly, if someone gets so disgusted by the fact that someone does drag well, I personally think it’s because they wanna do it but are too scared.
And honestly, EVERY gay man needs to do drag just once in their lifetime. It’s SO ridiculously fun, which is really the bottom line.
Like Rich, I think what you’re talking about here Adam is a totally different thing. I think it’s more Transexuals, and not so much drag queen. Drag queen don’t live their lives as woman. We do it for work.
Quick sidenote…working on red dress party for Vancouver…stay tuned!
Tommy D
October 29th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
to A GAY
JoanE is one of the most incredible people for this community. You have absolutely no idea how much work that she does do for you. Yes she has her shows, but that queen does so much stuff for charity i can’t even begin to describe. She has even gotten the golden jubilee medal from the Queen herself (LIke the REAL Queen…from England!) for her charitable work.
I understand you want to live in Sparta, and THANK GOD we don’t. You want to live in a world where no eats, everyone’s the same, no one has any personality, no colour. Same Same Same. And let me tell you, when those beefy guys get older, or a bit lazy, they become the fattest ones.
And you totally just answer your own cry for a “Masculine” spokesperson…gay guys don’t care. It’s the Drag Queens that are the pillars of any gay community. And I am so proud to do drag, and to have been welcomed into the drag community with open arms. I really wish that you feel that with your “SPARTA” boys someday. But chances are you will feel nothing but hunger pains.
Learn to relax a little. And remember that the gay community anywhere in the world would not be what it is with our drag sisters.
Tommy D
October 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Goddamn I wish this comment thing had an edit button. How bad at typing am I today?
Rich
October 29th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Well said Tommy.
@Adam… there is a stigma that can be put on people who do drag… even if it is just for shits and giggles. It’s the same old bullshit… “I don’t want to be pegged as fem” or some shit like that.
It’s all for fun and I say keep sex out of it. Leave that shit to fetish night and just revel in the glory of a man who looks better in heals than his momma ever did. Amen sister.
Psst… I was trying to talk like Wesley Snipes from Too Wong Foo. ;)
Jake
October 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
I have been with many guys who are into drag and I break them into two main categories, the “Showman” and the “slut”. The showman is someone who for whatever reason, be it money, the creativity, making friends, puts on the show. None of these has ever wanted to play in “character”. The showmen make sure they look good or in character. The slut has a whole different outlook based on sexual fantasy and often issues from their past I have found (self esteem, parents, etc.). The slut can look good but is more interested in what they are wearing and doing than in how good they pull it off! Of course, I in no way mean to say that this covers all as I can only speak to those I’ve met. As for Adam’s question about attraction, I like both Men and Women but try to keep them separate as I find the intermingling somewhat confusing. When a guy indicates he wants to dress up for sex my general response is that he can wear whatever “panties” he wants as long as he understands I will be ripping a hole in them to F* him through, LOL. And that is exactly what I do. All of the showmen I’ve known would be horrified to have sex in character and yes, they were all bottoms. One of the hottest guys I’ve known for years I came across in a bar working as a waitress in full drag and didn’t even recognize him. I have to say he was one Hot woman, but it did not turn me on for him as a man, but triggered my desire for him as a woman which obviously wouldn’t work. When he said don’t you know who I am it was so far off course I never would have guessed. He looked hot in his dress but I prefer him in his Jockstrap! Finally, no one has ever approached me in drag as either a “showman” or “slut” as a top, always a bottom. Thanks again for another interesting topic Adam.
Adam
October 29th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Thanks for the “thanks” Jake!
I’m excited to have some bi/drag intrigued viewer input- hard to find someone willing to put it out there! I have a feeling your comments are gonna be pretty polarizing- but you know those are my favourite kind ha.
I personally have only MET met a few drag queens to have a convo with them, and so far I think i’ve only met the showman- maybe vancouver being the smaller (relatively) gay community that it is doesn’t have the room for drag sluts that them there big cities like T-dot and NY have… would be interesting to meet one haha… for strictly research purposes i assure you ha.
Bryson
October 29th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Adam, you’re the ANN COULTER of Homorazzi.com. How they put up with you is astounding.
Adam
October 29th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Hahaha bryson, i put out ;)
Rich
October 29th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
@Bryson…. YES YES YES. Too funny. Somebody needs to do a photo mashup.
Willam
October 30th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
U need to watch Ticked-Off Trannies With Knives and The Vagina Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE18CGmtXqM
I’ve had people stop sleeping with me after finding out i did drag.
Tim
October 30th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
I honestly think you’re misunderstanding the purpose and nature of drag. People in drag are just that: people in costumes. Saying that you’d feel uncomfortable walking shoulder-to-shoulder with a friend in drag is a bit ridiculous (it’s like saying you’d feel uncomfortable walking with someone in a Halloween costume) and comes off as vaguely transphobic as well.
As gay men, we’ve all experienced the “masculine role” that is always forced upon us in our childhoods and that might have clashed with some of our emotions and situations (e.g. I had mostly female friends and got pretty much called a girl in elementary school). Plus, many people in the straight world generalize gays as being more feminine than other guys just because of their sexual orientation. People in drag are playing around with gender, and making a statement that gender is not binary (masculine/feminine) but indeed fluid and not always well-defined. Relaxing the gender roles allows everyone, both male and female, gay/straight/bi or trans, to express themselves without having to conform to a gender role.
And yes, I would date someone who dresses in drag – not because I’m turned on by them, but because I ADMIRE people who dress in drag because for their courage and their perseverance. Constantly challenging the societal norms of gender is difficult. I don’t really think they dress up to turn anybody on and so I don’t know what you being turned off by them has anything to do with it. Have you considered that maybe their reasons for dressing up have nothing to do with you seeing them as “sexy piece of meats” – to use your own words?
I love big muscles and I scorn make up as much as you do (and I fantasize about a Manland as much as “a guy” does), but you have to realize that drag queens exist for reasons other than to turn you on, and that they benefit the LGBT community in many ways.
DavyFabulous
November 5th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Just finished reading your Article & I find it’s really Stupid & Offensive!!! Why do you have such a F***ing hang ups on Sexual this & that!!! Doing Drag is be intouch with that Feminine side with Crazy Sense of Humor. Stop using SEX in referring to doing Drag & thinking if a Man’s sexy in Frock with a Cock that’s Taped down & Tucked is Sexy?!? Helloooo??!!
Do you really have any Joy in your Life??? Laughing at oneself or Making Fun of Female Stereotypes are all Fun & quite Healthy! Sad that there are so much fear in the Gay Community about being OK with our Sexuality!!! What a Dorky/Geeky attitude! Attraction to Drag Queens? – HELLOOOOO!?! unless that person naturally attracted to Drag Queens or Trannies!!!!
I was once afraid of Drag Queens when I just came out but my curiosity got the best of me! I used to be F***ing Tough & it’s nice that I can feel Faaabulous kicking someones Balls with my Spike Heels!!! Like this stupid uptight Dragaphobe Freak! Yah, this Hypocrite saying that Drag should be as REAL BEAUTIFUL ,WELL PUT TOGETHER, VERY MUCH LIKE A WOMAN kind of DRAG QUEENS who ENTERTAIN HIM & that’s acceptable!!!! You should be kept in a small town & have cow shit thrown at him! That would be my kind of entertainment!!!! Did you say: you have sexual attraction for your friend?!? FR…EAK!!!!
Well I said my peace:)
Oh by the way, Get Over It! That’s Right, It was Drag Queens who Fought for Your Rights at Stone Wall!!!
Jeffrey Dean
November 5th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
This is a message of acceptance that I adore!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAgufQSRVcI&feature=email